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Airton, Obrigado por compartilhar. Gostaria muito de ajudar mais nesse seu projeto, mas confesso que preciso de ajuda para entender o que você chama de código. Vamos lá. Pegando o exemplo do primeiro código e algumas linhas de 17 dezenas que você postou, me ajude a entender de vez, por favor: A=L1-3/245 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 11 12 13 14 16 18 19 22 23 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 11 12 13 14 17 18 20 21 22 5 dezenas na Linha13 dezenas na Linha24 dezenas na Linha33 dezenas na Linha42 dezenas na Linha5 Como entender o código olhando essas 2 linhas? A= L1-3/245Se eu conseguir entender isso, posso contribuir com os estudos, tenho certeza. Obrigado pela paciência.

Silva - GGS, Obrigado por compartilhar esses seus melhores grupos. Tenho 2 perguntas para você: 1- Quanto tempo leva para você gerar esses grupos para 20 dezenas, por exemplo? É que eu acabei fazendo uma rotina (que acho rápida, modéstia à parte, pelo trabalho de pesquisa e pela "força-bruta" empregada). No meu notebook aqui demora 5-6 minutos para achar as melhores 79 linhas para 100% de acertos de 15. Para encontrar as primeiras 15-20 linhas, deve demorar 1-2 minutos. 2- De que maneira você está conseguindo usar esses grupos? Confesso que ainda não me encontrei com essas linhas. Quero dizer que, por enquanto, só enxergo que elas podem ser usadas como bons filtros do tipo grupo. E, para serem eficazes (reduzindo substancialmente as quantidades de jogos finais), deveríamos usar alguns limites mais "apertados" nas quantidades de acertos. Claro, já sabemos que ao apertar os limites vamos perder os de 15 e até os de 14 em muitos sorteios. Agradeceria se você ou alguém pudesse ajudar com idéias sobre como utilizar esses grupos.

Olá, Já tentou usar essa linha de 60 dezenas como filtro de grupo (partindo de um desdobramento maior, tipo 80 ou 90 dezenas com garantia de 18-19-20 dezenas)? Esse filtro deixaria passar apenas os conjuntos de 50 dezenas que acertassem 16 no minimo e 16 no maximo. Esses limites, são apenas um exemplo. Seria melhor testar essa linha primeiramente contra todos os sorteios (se ela for FIXA). Se não for FIXA, gerar as 60 variáveis para cada sorteio já corrido (eu usaria uns 50-100 sorteios para ter uma boa base histórica) e faria a aplicação desse mesmo filtro. Se precisar de ajuda para testar ou para montar o filtro, estou às ordens.

certo LeonardMedeiros. Pode funcionar também.

Concordo que não é fácil fazer essa proeza de retirar 12 acertos das 65. Ou 10 acertos de 50... As probabilidades são contrárias à lógica. Sabemos que 12 dezenas em 65 é aproximadamente o "esperado matematicamente". Mas você consegue determinar apenas 1 linha de 65 que tem as 12 do próximo sorteio e imagino que em boa parte dos sorteios). Isso parece muito interessante. Mas precisamos testar juntos, isso. Vou entrar em contato por MP, conforme vc mesmo sugere. Quem sabe, juntos, podemos somar algumas idéias. Pensei também no seguinte: 1- Pegar as 35 (elas contem 8, no seu exemplo) e desdobrar 35,20,8,8 (362 jogos de 20 - garantem mais de 1 de 8) 2- Mesma coisa para as 65 com 12 para fazer 65,30,12,12- Aqui o bicho pega. Devem ser mais de 100.000 linhas de 30. Ainda não tenho essa matriz. Cruzar as 2. Deve dar mais de 35.000.000 de jogos de 50 dezenas. Mas, vai conter 1 com 20. Pegar as 35000,000 e passar por uma série de filtros para reduzir para uma quantidade que caiba no bolso. Risco vamos ter de perder a que contenha 20. Mas pode deixar lucro? Só testando. Outra coisa, Parafuso: Sua linha inicial de 85-86 também deve ser utilizada para um bom filtro final.

Seria interessante, sim, ver esses desdobramentos para determinado sorteio. Ai, podemos testar juntos.

Lendo melhor o seu tópico, vi que são vários grupos de 65 dezenas. Correto? Quantos grupos? Poderia nos ajudar a entender melhor como você faz uso de Rede Neural para gerar esses grupos? A mesma idéia serve para gerar grupos para outras loterias? Timemania, Megasena, DuplaSena, Quina e Lotofacil.

Parafuso, Respondi a essa pergunta no outro tópico que postou

Parafuso, Imaginando uma única linha de 65 dezenas que contenha 12 pontos, penso que uma possível utilização seria a seguinte: Gerar jogos com 50 dezenas (aleatóriamente, ou partindo de uma quantidade pré-definida de jogos com algum tipo de garantia - ex: 18 ou 19) e usar esses 2 grupos como filtros, juntamente com outros, claro. Filtro com a linha de 65 dezenas - usar MIN=11 e MAX=12 (a idéia aqui é "apertar" o filtro para deixar passar menos jogos) Filtro com a linha de 35 dezenas - usar MIN=8 e MAX=9 Não sei quanto vai derrubar, mas acredito que sejam bons filtros. Simplesmente desdobrar e montar os jogos com 50 dezenas pode deixar mais cartões do que filtrando. Mas, só testando. E, caso você esteja falando de muitas linhas de 65 dezenas, podemos montar filtro do tipo grupo. Fica mais demorado, mas pode ser util.

Aline Marie, Você usou o Numeromania para gerar esse desdobramento? Pergunto se você já fez algo parecido com 50-25-19-20? Sei que deve dar muitos jogos mas seria possível filtrar isso depois, não acha? E por que 19? Porque, na maioria dos resultados saem de 17 a 19 "duplas" sequenciais. Eu chamo essas duplas sequencias (01-02; 03-04; 05-06; ..... 99-00) de Sistema2 (50 grupos de 2 em 2). Usando uma matriz tipo 50-25-19-20, teríamos apenas que juntar a dezena que falta no Sistema2 para pegar melhores prêmios.

Rorscharch, Você fez 2 perguntas numa só. Para saber a quantidade de jogos "fechando" 15 em linhas de 15, são necessários 1.133.730 jogos. Claro, desde que sua linha de 19 tenha exatamente 11 acertos. Com relação à segunda pergunta: sim, sempre é possível filtrar mais esses 1.133.730 de linhas de 15. Mas, aí o Wata tem razão e você também sabe disso. Sempre que nossos filtros erram, perderemos o de 15 (e também vários ou todos de 14, dependendo da abertura dos filtros). Com que frequência você imagina que sua linha de 19 vai ter exatamente 11 acertos? Isso é o que determina a "confiança" nos grupos. Vão acertar mais do que errar?

Pedepano, Usar as 100 linhas de 18 ou, melhor ainda, as 100 linhas de 7 (para Ausentes) como filtro do tipo grupo no Cologa para reduzir qualquer outro jogo montado com 15 dezenas. Só como curiosidade: fiz um teste no sorteio 1239 usando essas 100 linhas de 7 para ausentes. Reduziu quase 80% dos 3,2 milhões de jogos e manteve o de 15. Os limites que usei acontecem, na média em 70% dos sorteios. Sei que ainda é muita coisa, mas temos que usar mais filtros ou outras estratégias.

Petronalves, Obrigado pelas dicas e explicações. Tenho que fazer os testes.

Airton Miranda, Muito legal essa estratégia! Como tudo que tem publicado. Estou em dívida com você. Não conseguimos continuar (talvez nem começar) nossa conversa sobre estratégias para filtrar na Lotofácil. Ainda acompanho uma das suas sugestões de gerar linhas de 18 para acertar 13. Muito boa essa estratégia. Sempre tem várias de 13 em 100 conjuntos (fiz um programa seguindo suas sugestões antigas e verifico em todos os sorteios o comportamento dessas linhas geradas para o sorteio em questão). Gostaria de reduzir essas 100 linhas de 18 para umas 10 linhas de 18 mas segurando 1 ou mais de 13. Talvez ai sim, seja possível fazer um belo filtro com essas linhas. Grande abraço. Quando tiver tempo, podemos conversar sobre seus filtros para a Lotofacil, caso ainda queira fazer isso. Você tem meu email.

Caio mota, A resposta à sua pergunta está contida nas análises acima: Se pegou 1476 com 10, significa que 1476-1236 sorteios = 241 sorteios isso ocorreu. Passado. E você vai precisar usar todos os conjuntos de 10 para esperar que isso ocorra novamente (deve ocorrer, claro) mas deve procurar outras 5 dezenas que estão nas 15 de fora de cada conjunto... Esse 382 conjuntos abaixo nunca vieram juntamente com mais 5 outras dezenas. Veja que usando esses 382 conjuntos, ainda teria a "bagatela" de 382 x 3.003 = 1.147.146 conjuntos de 15 para "esperar" que 1 deles viesse com 10 novamente. Acredita que vale mesmo a pena? Só se tiver alguma coisa que ajude a "filtrar" essa quantidade (tanto no lado das 10 Ausentes como no lado das 5 outras de qualquer linha). 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Paulo10, Frequencia das Ausentes por Posição... Isso entendi. Mas o que deve mostrar isso, na sua opinião?

Só para você analisar a complexidade desse tipo de análise: as 1236 Ausentes contra as 15 presentes tiveram o comportamento abaixo (em quantidade de acertos): 10 acertos = 1476 9 acertos = 2304 8 acertos = 134.940 7 acertos = 361.100 6 acertos = 491.226 5 acertos = 352.860 4 acertos = 133902 3 acertos = 25574 2 acertos = 2234 1 acerto = 104 0 acertos = 1236 (claro - espelho das das 1236 Presentes) Sinceramente, não sei o que fazer com essas informações.... Me ajude com alguma sugestão.

Petronalves, Seu esquema é muito bom, com certeza. Mas a questão sempre é a mesma: COMO DEFINIR 5 DEZENAS certeiras? Confesso que em todas as minhas tentativas, nunca consegui encontrar uma técnica para fazer isso com sucesso. Alguma sugestão?

Confesso que não estou entendendo como usar as Ausentes, da forma que está sugerindo. Afinal, 10 Ausentes e 15 Presentes são exatamente as mesmas 3.268.760 de possibilidades. Se conseguíssemos definir 5 Ausentes para um determinado sorteio, teríamos 1 linha com 20 dezenas (desdobrada tem 15504 conjuntos de 15). Essa linha desdobrada e filtrada, teria um retorno financeiro muito bom usando bons filtros. A questão é sempre: COMO DEFINIR 5 DEZENAS (Neste exemplo de 5 Ausentes)? Para trabalhar com as 20 do Espelho. Se alguem tem alguma sugestão, podemos ganhar dinheiro juntos. Com todas as análises que já fiz (considerando sempre o histórico - Passado!!!), não consigo definir nem 3 DEZENAS Ausentes!!!! Quanto mais 5 Ausentes.

Não saberia dizer o que é melhor. O que é melhor agora, passa a ser pior amanhã. Então, gosto de usar as 8 dezenas com Maior Frequencia como filtro para me dar entre 3-4-5 dezenas Idem para as 8 de Média Frequencia. E a mesma coisa para as 9 de Baixa Frequencia. O mesmo raciocínio vale para Atraso e para Atraso Relativo. Entre Atraso Simples e Atraso Relativo, prefiro Atraso Relativo (ele engloba a expectativa matemática, porisso acho melhor). Já adianto que não reduz muita coisa se deixar os limites entre 3-4-5 para cada grupo desses.

Boa sorte! O que você chama de um bom grupo de 10? Não vai ter repetido até o sorteio 1236, por exemplo... E pode demorar muito para repetir. Afinal, são 3.268.760 linhas de 10 possíveis no universo total.

Nanilinho, Você tem alguma sugestão sobre como fazer a "previsão"? Só conheço Frequencia (Mais, Média, Baixa), Atraso, Atraso Relativo. Mas como montar uma lógica para gerar a "previsão"?

Tenho pronto até o sorteio 1236. Na ordem de sorteio... Se você colocar numa planilha, só criar a numeração na primeira coluna inserida por você. Como pretende usar isso? 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Obrigado pela explicação. Concordo que ainda fica muito complicado na escolha.

Magalhaes27, Quais as condições para acertar as 20, usando os grupos? Exemplo: Sendo 10 grupos, quantas dezenas são necessárias de cada grupo? E o que acontece se tiver mais ou menos? Chegou a verificar essas condições?